說明討論:恁般讀
Tone Values
phiên-siáFrom the first table
| 聲調 | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| â | fôn 歡 | á | 35 | ㄚˊ |
| à | thèu 頭 | a̱ | 11 | ㄚˇ[1] |
| á | hí 喜 | à | 51 | ㄚˋ |
| a | mien 面 | a | 55 | ㄚ |
| a̍p | sṳ̍t 食 | ap | 5 | N/A |
| ap | chuk 粥 | a̱p | 1 | N/A |
| ā[2] | ā | 33 | N/A | |
If we compare it with the second table called 客語與閩南語白話字聲調對照
| 傳統 | 陰平 | 陰上 | 陰去 | 陰入 | 陽平 | 陽上[3] | 陽去 | 陽入 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 數字 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 |
| 客語白話字 | â | á | a | ak | à | á | (å) | a̍k |
| 四縣調值 | 24 | 41 | 44 | 2 | 11 | 41 | -- | 4 |
| 海陸調值 | 42 | 14 | 33 | 4 | 44 | 14 | 11 | 2 |
| Holo白話字 | a | á | à | ak | â | á | ā | a̍k |
| 優勢腔調值 | 44 | 53 | 21 | 32 | 224 | 53 | 33 | 4 |
we see the tone values given in each table of the Siyen tones is different.
| Tone | Tone | Siyen in Table 1 | Siyen in Table 2 | Hoiliuk | Character Example |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 陰平 | (1) | /35/ | /24/ | /42/ | fôn 歡 |
| 陽平 | (6) | /11/ | /11/ | /44/ | thèu 頭 |
| 上聲 | (2) | /51/ | /41/ | /14/ | hí 喜 |
| 陰去 | (4) | /55/ | /44/ | /33/ | mien 面 |
| 陽去 | (5) | /33/ | -- | /11/ | |
| 陰入 | (7) | /5./ | /2./ | /4./ | sṳ̍t 食 |
| 陽入 | (8) | /1./ | /4./ | /2./ | chuk 粥 |
This, in itself, is confusing for readers who have no specialised knowledge in the field of linguistics. The values themselves aren't incorrect, as they all must have come from studies made somewhere. Moreover, the use of ā in the first table but å in the second table for the 陽去 of Hakka is confusing to the reader when you notice that the value ā is used for the Holo tones.
In this Hakka Wikipedia, reference to pronunciation for Hakka should be the overriding factor. I propose that the lines containing the Holo entries be deleted, and a choice of whether ā or å should be made to improve on clarity of articles to be written.
If you choose å it will make the romanisation similar to if not the same as Pang2 Det7Siu1's (Phâng TetSiû) 客家話發音字典．Dylwhs 08:59, 13 Liuk-ngie̍t 2007 (UTC)
请求添加语音
phiên-siá大多数人学习的是普通话拼音，贴出的音标在例子的哪个部分（发音）识别出来需要会会其他音，所以自学十分困难。 只是单独添加中文字，完全不会客家话的人完全没有用（联想不到）。连照着读都不行 Nevr.007 (kâu-liù) 14:30, 26 Chhit-ngie̍t 2019 (UTC)